Posts by cha ching

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Do JWs Say They Are Fulfilling Prophetic Bible Prophecies Any Longer?

by minimus in

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every bible book pretty much was applied to the “anointed remnant “.

if a prophet blew his nose it was a fulfillment of a future deed done by the “anointed”.. have they stopped this nonsense?

?.

cha ching

Typical / Antitypical...First part of fulfillment, last part... and don't forget 'literal'

In the 2009 WT there were 14 mentions in the insight book, 474 in the Watchtower, and 107 mentions of 'antitypical' in books.

Didn't your brain go numb trying to get these anomalies straight in your head? How many times did we study those now archaic abandoned books? "Know Jehovah" "Man's Salvation" "Daniel book" and on and on! And now, poof! gone! "Hey, we don't do that anymore, forget we use to do that, it's just not necessary"

*** dp chap. 13 p. 211 par. 2 Two Kings in Conflict ***
2 How thrilled Daniel must have been to hear the angel reveal to him in detail the rivalry between two forthcoming kings! The drama is of interest to us as well, for the power struggle between the two kings stretches into our day. Seeing how history has shown the first part of the prophecy to be true will strengthen our faith and confidence in the certainty of fulfillment of the last part of the prophetic account.

*** gt chap. 97 Workers in the Vineyard ***
Is that first-century fulfillment the only fulfillment of Jesus’ illustration? No, the clergy of Christendom in this 20th century have, by reason of their positions and responsibilities, been “first” to be hired for work in God’s symbolic vineyard

*** gt chap. 111 Sign of the Last Days ***
When does Jesus’ prophecy have a first fulfillment, but when does it have a major fulfillment?

*** hp chap. 15 Is “the End of the World” Near? ***
Why should we look for another fulfillment of the “sign,” and how would it differ from the first fulfillment? (13-16)

*** ka chap. 6 pp. 94-95 par. 29 Priests for Ten Centuries with No Scheming Priestcraft ***
But when did the antitypical tent or temple, the “true tent” with its “holy place,” come into existence? It was while the typical temple built by King Herod the Great was still standing in Jerusalem. It was in the early autumn of the year 29 of our Common Era. How was this so? What happened then to call for the true temple?

*** ka chap. 6 p. 100 par. 43 Priests for Ten Centuries with No Scheming Priestcraft ***
43 Instead of climaxing the antitypical Day of Atonement by entering into a typical “holy place” inside the typical tent or temple, High Priest Jesus Christ entered “into heaven itself” where the “person of God” is. This heavenly residence of the very person of God is the true Most Holy, the Holy of Holies, the Holiest of all.

*** ka chap. 16 p. 304 par. 28 Completion of the Foretold “Sign” Nears ***
28 It becomes plain that, in his prophecy, Jesus was using the city of Jerusalem not only in a literal sense but also in a typical sense, as prefiguring something else of greater proportions. ........ He was thinking of the antitypical unfaithful Jerusalem, namely, one of modern times. And what is that? It is Christendom with her hundreds of conflicting religious sects.—1 Corinthians 10:11.

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Governing Body Just got Spanked

by Bill Covert in

yesterday in watchtower documents there was published "flawed decrees conceal criminals.

barbara anderson examined the rnwt revision of lev.5:1 and revealed the wtb&ts to be deceptive as to applying it to congregation members being required to "tattle" on their brothers to expose sin.

she shows that is just not so as lev.5:1 has nothing to do with tattling.

cha ching

I looked up the 1987 WT article to see what it was all about.... all this "HIPAA" debate...

William Prosser lived from 1898 to 1972, is well known for these torts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_laws_of_the_United_States#Early_years

In the United States today,[when?] "invasion of privacy" is a commonly used cause of action in legal pleadings. Modern tort law, as first categorized by William Prosser, includes four categories of invasion of privacy:[8]

Intrusion of solitude: physical or electronic intrusion into one's private quarters

Public disclosure of private facts: the dissemination of truthful private information which a reasonable person would find objectionable

False light: the publication of facts which place a person in a false light, even though the facts themselves may not be defamatory
Appropriation: the unauthorized use of a person's name or likeness to obtain some benefits

Public disclosure[edit]
Public disclosure of private facts arises where one person reveals information which is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person.[14] "Unlike libel or slander, truth is not a defense for invasion of privacy."[10] Disclosure of private facts includes publishing or widespread dissemination of little-known, private facts that are non-newsworthy, not part of public records, public proceedings, not of public interest, and would be offensive to a reasonable person if made public.[12]

Let's just ask what the WT would say at court regarding child sex abuse cases, right?

"I am sorry, that is confidential information, it is private, we are restricted by clergy-penitent privilege, and protected by First Amendment Rights"

However.... notice what they actually admit about "disclosure laws in 1987, and what they subsequently encourage in this September 1,1987 Watchtower:“A Time to Speak”—When?

MARY works as a medical assistant at a hospital. One requirement she has to abide by in her work is confidentiality. She must keep documents and information pertaining to her work from going to unauthorized persons. Law codes in her state also regulate the disclosure of confidential information on patients.

“Mary was somewhat apprehensive about the legal aspects but felt that in this situation Bible principles should carry more weight than the requirement that she protect the privacy of the medical records. Surely the sister would not want to become resentful and try to retaliate by making trouble for her, she reasoned. So when Mary analyzed all the facts available to her, she decided conscientiously that this was a time to “speak,” not to “keep quiet.”

From that quote above... WT uses the phrase "legal aspects".. so they knew.

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a short story to share

by LostAdam in

i have a friend who got df'ed recently and he had a major role on a 5 min broadcasting film.

the film was made before he got df'ed (obviously), so it wont be on air.

as he told me it was to be on july or august program.

cha ching

Thanks, LostAdam, how long was your friend at Bethel? Did he make the move to Warwick? And was he there when the VAA visited them in November 2017? Did others know about it? Awesome he awoke!

Do you think your friend will be revealing what woke him up??? It would be very insightful to know.

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

cha ching

I am sure someone in the investment/financial department keeps an eye on the stats of how many JWs it takes to bring in so much money. They know that people leave every year... but that's ok, as long as they keep a certain balance.

Also, just like we have seen, they know that there is a certain part of the population that is braindead-numblessly following their lead, they clap at every announcement at a convention: "Don't we just loooooove this idea?" clap, clap, clap....

Personally, I have this idea that the Borganization is trying to slough off all of those that give them problems, wanting people to leave of their own volition. Why? Maybe so they don't keep up on the news about JWs and sue them? Maybe because they have their nest egg in N.Y. and have real estate,stocks and bonds to take care of them? I haven't quite figured out the 'why' of it, exactly... But that is one of the possibilities I am waiting to see how it plays out.

Maybe WT is trying to become a 'fader'? haha!

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

cha ching

Absolutely, DOC and WakeMe

Whether it's the GB, the 'Service Desk', the 'Legal Department', the 'Writing department' or the 'guys behind the curtain' someone knows how to dot their 'i's' and cross their 't's.

Haven't you ever been bothered, when you were a JW, at all the senseless repetition of Bible dramas that emphasize how 'God's leaders, the ones he selected, like David, Moses, Saul' had to be forgiven for sins that we would have been killed for, and that we 'have to trust Jehovah to know what he's doing if he decides to let them live and forgive them'... and the WT goes on to explain that how we have to be loyal to those Jehovah uses.... No accident.

As I look back, I see how WT publications steered us into using new words/ phrases, adapting new ideas, using questions. "Doesn't it make sense? or "It makes sense..." "Jehovah appreciates it when"... and on and on...

WT started changing policies, prophecies and expectations years and years in advance.

Someone.... somewhere.... knows exactly what they are doing.

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Questions for JDubs to think about

by Sour Grapes in

is it reasonable to have an invisible friend whom you have never seen and yet you talk to this invisible friend several times a day even though the friend has never talked back to you?.

is it reasonable for you to give your life to this invisible friend because a group of 8 men says that if you don't you won't live forever?.

do you thank your invisible friend every day for the food that he gives you, yet he doesn't give food to over 27,000 people a day who die the terrible death of starvation.

cha ching

Good questions for thought Sour Grapes, I like your illustration about the peach pie & blood fractions!

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Article: Jehovah's Witnesses and sexual abuse: The Philadelphia Inquirer lays it out

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.getreligion.org/getreligion/2018/5/6/jehovahs-witnesses-and-sexual-abuse-the-reckoning-is-here.

jehovah's witnesses and sexual abuse: the philadelphia inquirer lays it out.

may 7, 2018. julia duin.

cha ching

Julia Duin, a religious reporter, comments on the previous Philadelphia story about the Haughs, the family whose child was molested from a viewpoint of past experiences with Jehovah's Witnesses and of modern times.

"FaithLeaks" and "Reclaimed Voices" are praised. Perhaps this will lead to more awakening?

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EXJW Fifth Interviews Jason Wynne - Founder of AvoidJW.org

by Wakanda in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bahseeaoof8.

simply fabulous.

ps.

cha ching

This interview was GREAT! You do not want to miss it. Jason has information that connects the dots. Very, very interesting... 'How the Borg works'.... I think I will watch it again! Thx Cliff!

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Interview with Dagney

by Dagney in

tell us a little about yourself and your family.. i was born and raised in southern california, with a brief stint with parents as need-greaters in central america.

my parents accepted a study in the d2d work, i believe my father was interested in the revolutionary aspect of the religion, and my mom said she wanted to learn the bible.

they were baptized in 1937 i think, and attended the one and only los angeles kh at the time.

cha ching

Hi Dagney! I like this! Dagney & I (and my husband) met at the Apostafest in Tahoe. She and Aude Sapere were two of the most 'listeningenst' peoples there (besides Mr & Mrs Flipper, haha) and going there was GREAT! We met many people that we are still friends with and keep in contact with.

Also, people from our area, California, were there that we had not seen/spoken with for 40 years! All the dots started connecting... Very interesting. If you CAN, it is GREAT to hold a camping trip / ApostaFest in your area. Very worthwhile.

Thx Dagney!

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Hopefully this will educate the public and help end the WT's rule of secrecy at all costs

by cha ching in

i'm glad barbara wrote this book - "barbara anderson uncensored: eyewitness to deceit" - it will be an eye opener for the public who only see the polite people at carts or walking door to door.

it will help them see who the wt really is through her experiences working at bethel in the writing department.

i liked the contribution of bonnie zieman and jon atack who additionally help expose the type of control wt exerts, and what the aftermath of child sex abuse has on it's jw victims.. it's a fairly short book, 71 pages, it explains barbara's reasons for continuing her activism against child sexual abuse.

cha ching

I'm glad Barbara wrote this book - "Barbara Anderson Uncensored: Eyewitness to Deceit" - it will be an eye opener for the public who only see the polite people at carts or walking door to door. It will help them see who the WT really is through her experiences working at Bethel in the writing department.

I liked the contribution of Bonnie Zieman and Jon Atack who additionally help expose the type of control WT exerts, and what the aftermath of child sex abuse has on it's JW victims.

It's a fairly short book, 71 pages, it explains Barbara's reasons for continuing her activism against child sexual abuse. At the end of the book she goes into more detail, relating several experiences, this is one that made my blood boil:

"Elders made a 16-year old Witness girl apologize to a witness man who she accused of sexually abusing her, although police were charging the man with over forty counts of child abuse."

Typical slimebag Watchtower! And.... what did I see at the bottom of her book review on Amazon?

Some WT like drone put a one star review trying to trash it:

Before anyone buys this book, please know that on her own website if you would check, she blames 40 years worth of her own personal and religious decisions she made as an adult, on people whom she never met and never stepped foot in her home.
So expect to find plenty of “everyone else is to blame except me” commentary, or how a grown woman was mysteriously “controlled” by people hundreds of miles away.
Look her up — then will you be an eye-witnesses to deceit.

What!? She was baptized at 14! We all know the WT doesn't have to be "in our home" to exert influence, we have all lived "the control" by seven men, hundreds of miles away!